You know, I dont think that's necessarily true Calvin.
I'm going to be uncharacteristacallt honest here: You do have a style of debating which involves you repeating the same point over and over...witness the layout thread on RPGnet, or the debate we had about armour on Epilogue, or other threads I've seen get heated in Tangency. You do seem to believe that you are not listened to, when in fact you are the one who isn't changing your arguement to reflect whats being presented to you. That's not meant to be a terrible insult - its just the way you go about things, apparently. Its also a quality that will get you a long way in your illustration career, given the right direction. Dogged determination is necessary.
BUT: just because people dont end up agreeing with you doens't mean they haven't digested, or listend to, your point. It may just be that they see things you dont, or that you are simply wrong from the outset.
To examine my own stand point - I do view the new admissions every day. I dont think quality has dropped. I do see some choices I personally would query, but that's all - I dont get bothered by them.
I do hear sour grapes being chewed here and in other places. Now, I could be wrong in that...and I'm interested in discussing it. I do however have concerns that the other side of the debate is less open to examine its own motives. To some people out there there is a terrible problem at Epi, full stop, end of story, and everyone else just isnt able to see it.
Heavens, that must be a frustrating position to be in, and I really sympathise. But there is a chance that you are actually wrong in your assessment, and thats why people get fed up of hearing the same thing over and over, and why you get the same response over and over.
I think that frustration in itself is a cause of a lot of sour grapes and bitterness.
I'm sorry, because I know that upsets you to hear that, but if i dont express my opinion because it upsets you, then I am being emotionally blackmailed into silence. One of the reasons I finally posted to the other forum.
Sure, I hear where you guys are coming from. And I disagree. I also dont beleive you were flamed at the pother site in the slightest, I think you were pulle dup sharply on a few very pertinent points. And if your admissions of those were not genuine, then you have seriosuly dropped in my estimation.
Now, a problem that I see could well develop is that anyone disagreeeing with the policies of Epilogue gets shouted down over there, and anyone standing up for Epilogue gets shouted down over here. Anger breeds anger - this site started off very angrily, and people are still coming here and digesting that early stuff, and are likely to respond in kind for some time to come.
I would urge everyone here to be aware that since this LJ has been linked to previously, it's very easy to find. Also, people are lurking here reading this stuff. You can't stop that, so I would be aware that there are repercussions to what you say, given that you dont know who is reading. That's not some threat - I cant do anything to anyone, and nor would I if i could - hey I'm a nice guy who just happens to disagree with you about some site on the web! I think diversity of opinion, if expressed in a mature manner is great for any community!
Just dont paint yourselves into a corner, I guess, is my point. Dont let the anger and resentment diminish your case, if you truly believe in it.