I'm glad to hear that someone was listening. Whether they agree or not, that has to be their choice, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
It just got frustrating that everytime I posted trying to convince people that there were two sides to the issue, up popped another "sour grapes" post. Or one still addressing only the individual rejection issue, when I was trying to establish that the most commnly brought up issue I've been hearing isn't about individual rejections.
And yes, I know I can be very stubborn. It's something I have to watch for constantly. But that has never prevented me from listening to other people's input, and I have many times changed my mind based on information that someone has given me.
I have to take some exception to your examples in my own defense.
In the armor discussion, I stated very frankly that (although I was maintaining my opinion for the time being) I might be mistaken in my data, and intended to do more research before continuing the argument. Notice that I didn't continue my argument?
On the layout argument, there never was one. Not in the "I think you're wrong" sense. I advised a person who wanted to do a PDF hobby publication that a wordprocessing program would very likly be adequate for their needs. Others insisted that Quark or Indesign was required to produce anything that wasn't pure crap. My only stance was that, yes if you want top quality professional results then use top quality professional programs, but that they aren't neccesarily required in every instance, and may be overkill for some applications. Although I agreed with many of his points, even then and do so more now, I did some limited head butting with GMS (who I later offered both a private and public apology and we seem to be on good terms now) and dropped out of the discussion when it became heated. I would hope you're not mistaking DGBG's continued animosity as being in any way connected to my own opinions, as that thread got much farther out of hand after I left it.
All I have ever asked is that people give me the same consideration. You don't have to change your mind, just allow me to have a conflicting opinion, and listen to what it actually is before you decide whether I'm an idiot. Often they do. But on that particular thread, I honestly believe that most of those posting weren't paying attention to what I was saying, or were misunderstanding it. I posted repeatedly to try to clarify my point. But everytime, the next post would address everything but the point I was trying to make.
The most frustrating part about that whole thing was that I was just trying to be the diplomat, not the crusader. The only point I was trying to make is that the people who are complaining have the right to do so, and what would it hurt to hear what they actually have to say.
Maybe it did some good, but it didn't seem like it.
I'm probably just not diplomatic enough that I should be putting myself into these situations. Maybe that's something I should try and remember the next time the urge hits me.