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From:malfoypuppy
Date:January 18th, 2004 04:14 pm (UTC)
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First off, not every single rejected piece shows up in the WIP. I personally know of a brilliant piece by one of the members of the EpiRant community that was rejected and for the life of me, I cannot understand why. Want proof? Here: http://www.deviantart.com/view/3834875/

Maybe some of the editors do have a more discerning eye than others or it could be that some of them have an idea in their heads of what something or someone should look like in a painting and if it doesn't match their ideal(say if a person in a painting really does have a face that is unusually round or eyes that are too close together as some unfortunate humans do!), then they might come to the conclusion, maybe even unconsciously, that something just isn't right about this picture and reject it. If you have never recieved a rejection from an editor saying something like "We no longer accept pin-up" or "This piece doesn't have enough of a background" when it clearly does, then consider yourself lucky. Yes, I am grateful to Socar for helping me out and I don't come here because I have a hatred of Epilogue. I am here because I really feel that some really talented artists are treated unfairly by an editor or in the WIP forums and are brutally hacked to bits when they don't deserve it. I agree with you that most of the stuff in WIP really does need corrections but I can point out some things that are nothing more than style issues as well.
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From:nickgraves
Date:January 18th, 2004 04:19 pm (UTC)
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EEEEEEKKKKKK!!! PLEEEAASEEEE don't use my work as an example!!! Nononononono....Going to go crawl under a rock now.
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From:sister_bluebird
Date:January 18th, 2004 04:38 pm (UTC)
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But it's lovely! Better than much of the stuff that got into my epi gallery.
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From:nickgraves
Date:January 18th, 2004 04:51 pm (UTC)
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Aww well thank you. It has it's good points, but even I can find faults with it ... and it's my baby.

I tend to hide from being singled out. I fully expect to be torn to shreds when I am...and I'm usually not disappointed.

Out of a bit of curiosity, I checked your galleries...and it's just not true. Your work rocks. It's a completely different style than mine, but it's awesome.
From:sasart
Date:January 18th, 2004 04:53 pm (UTC)
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That definitely is a fantastic piece but over and over and over again my eye is drawn to a flaw; that hand in the front. The line of the knuckle ridge is blurry when, being the closest area to the viewer, should be sharp. It's very distracting and prevents me from really enjoying the rest of this otherwise magnificent piece. When i am able to move beyond that, though, another small (but noticable) oversite is the rim light on her from the moon. It should really extend all the way along that graceful lock of hair in order to be consistent with the rest of the image.

That's 2 rejection reasons to chose from. The drop down menu the editors have only allows for one. When more than one reason applies, the only choice the editors really have is "Not Epilogue Quality" or "Needs minor touch ups". Although an "unrefined/lack of detail" might be a better way to derscribe the oversights in this image. Depending on the editor and what was most obvious to them, this piece could have been rejected for any of the following:

inconsistent lighting
blurry
not epilogue quality
needs minor touch ups
unrefined

If i were to take a guess i'd say it was either inconsistent lighting or unrefined. Out of curiosity, what was the rejection reason given for this?

"I am here because I really feel that some really talented artists are treated unfairly by an editor or in the WIP forums and are brutally hacked to bits when they don't deserve it."

I am sorry, but in the 10 months i have been at Epilogue, i have NEVER seen anyone be purposefully brutal to someone in WIP. I have seen people throw fits about being critiqued, and i have seen some painfully honest advice given, but i've never seen anyone be outright hateful when giving a critique.
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From:nickgraves
Date:January 18th, 2004 07:07 pm (UTC)
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Hun, I'm not being mean, but this image is NOT posted in the EPI works in progress section and I am NOT looking for a critique. I've already said I see flaws in it, I intend to fix the flaws "I" see when I am ready.

I probably could show you work that shouldn't have been rejected but was, perhaps not in my own work, but I do know a few others.

This piece WAS accepted at Epilogue...It was accepted, then the site fell, and THEN it got rejected.

My gripe has never been that I can't get my work in epilogue...It's with the inconsistency with which our submitted works are judged.
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From:malfoypuppy
Date:January 18th, 2004 09:57 pm (UTC)
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Allow me to disagree emphatically and stop myself from spitting out a comment directed at you that has something to do with bovines and waste products.

I think the whole picture is meant to be etherial and soft in lines. If her hand were as hard as you suggest, I think it would clash with the overall feel of the picture. And yes, the moonlight should extend along the rest of the hair but that is so minor! I mean nitpicky minor. It did not detract from the picture at all for me and I feel it was unfairly rejected. Honey, I can find plenty of things in your work that are just as flawed but I still think they are good enough to make the cut and they did. So here we have a problem of inconsistency with judging which pictures are worthy and which are not.

You are precisely the kind of person at Epi who causes hard feelings with your 'Stop whining, you buncha sore losers' attitude.
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