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From:lilhole
Date:January 18th, 2004 07:31 am (UTC)
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There are problems with Epilogue. In abundance. It is very possible you haven’t noticed it, and for that you are counted as lucky. If you read some of the non “trash talking” posts here, you’d see exactly what the issues are.

If you focus on the few threads here that are just being hateful, then of course you are going to see us as unreasonable.

I think it has already been established, that there is no hate felt towards epilogue from the majority of the members here(including staff). Many of us do however; suffer severe frustration from a lack of being able to voice our grievances, without having a dog pile of EPI supporters tell us to “quit whining”.


This is not the place for an Epilogue Pride parade. This is not the place to come tell people their grievances aren’t valid. This is not a place to try to hand us a serving of guilt because “no one at Epilogue HAS to do anything” so we should be grateful. THAT place would be http://www.epilogue.net/cgi/common_room/ultimatebb.cgi .

I’d also like to point out that though the name of the LJ forum is epilogue rant, it has from it’s inception, been about ALL net galleries and organizations. This is not a hate group, and those who have tried to make it so have kindly been asked to stop...as a result, many have started up REAL hate groups.


From:sasart
Date:January 18th, 2004 08:10 am (UTC)
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"though the name of the LJ forum is epilogue rant, it has from it’s inception, been about ALL net galleries and organizations. This is not a hate group, and those who have tried to make it so have kindly been asked to stop...as a result, many have started up REAL hate groups."

Then maybe it's time to change the name. Having a place called "Epilogue rant" does give a rather distinct impression to the uninformed that the general attitude here towards Epilogue is a negative one. Why is it any wonder that real hate groups have formed as a result? Discontent allowed to fester without resolution breeds hate. Getting together and complaining to like minded individuals is all well and good. But if all that is done is complaining, and no positive action for improvement is taken, then there is nothing left to come from it besides hatred. If Epilogue is so poorly done and has so many problems, then why doesn't someone make a better art site instead of just griping about it?

"This is not the place for an Epilogue Pride parade. This is not the place to come tell people their grievances aren’t valid"

So only people who dislike Epilogue or have something negative to say about Epilogue are allowed to post here? Hardly seems fair. Rather one sided if you ask me. I should think an intelligent discussion on any topic should welcome an opposing view.

"Many of us...suffer severe frustration from a lack of being able to voice our grievances"

And how does complaining here resolve the problem? Why not voice your grievence to the people who can actually DO something about it? I'm not saying these complaints aren't valid. I personally feel the same way but in the opposite direction. I am far more horrified by the idea that i will have inferior work accepted into my gallery than i am by any rejection. I am trying very hard to go pro with my art and i NEED a reliable benchmark to track the quality of my work. So far Epilogue is the best i have been able to find. Is it perfect? No. But at least there are other artists there who can tell me when i've fallen short of professional quality.

The vast majority of works i have seen on the WIP forum that get rejected really do need more work. I will hold to that with utter conviction. But even the editors make mistakes. And when they do, they are always very quick to try and correct them. I noticed Socar herself came here and resolved an issue that should have been taken up with Epilogue in the first place and wasn't. Had that been done, no one would have had to get nasty about it over here. So what, i ask is the point of this place if not to breed hatred (however inadvertantly that may be)?
From:lilhole
Date:January 18th, 2004 08:26 am (UTC)
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“Then maybe it's time to change the name. Having a place called "Epilogue rant" does give a rather distinct impression to the uninformed that the general attitude here towards Epilogue is a negative one.”

It is the job of the uninformed to become informed. If you read the community rules(which takes just a minute) you would know exactly what we are about. Do you think Elfwood Rant is negative as well?

“But if all that is done is complaining, and no positive action for improvement is taken, then there is nothing left to come from it besides hatred.”

Did you...READ any of the threads? Or just the titles?

“So only people who dislike Epilogue or have something negative to say about Epilogue are allowed to post here? Hardly seems fair”

Again, takes one minute to read the rules and this is answered.

“And how does complaining here resolve the problem? Why not voice your grievence to the people who can actually DO something about it?”

They close the thread only after many many other people jump down the complainer's throat for not being content with their lot. You can’t post a grievance on the Epilogue boards and get anything positive out of it, it turns into a rant against whiners.

“I noticed Socar herself came here and resolved an issue that should have been taken up with Epilogue in the first place and wasn't.”

It WAS taken up with epilogue and the artist was insulted and shuffled to the side. It WAS corrected after being voiced here...Hmmm sounds productive to me? And I don’t recall anyone getting nasty about it over here.

Read the community rules, and then read the threads, before you complain. Everyone “complaining” here has a good working knowledge of how epilogue works, show us the same courtesy.



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